ANCESTRAL RECLAMATION | Yuliana Francie on Breaking Societal Conditioning & Finding Your Voice | Rabbit Hole Reflections #9

**From Cultural Constraints to Authentic Self: A Journey of Spiritual Transformation** 

In this powerful episode, spiritual business coach Yuliana Francie shares her remarkable journey from suppressing her truth in a traditional Chinese-Indonesian household to becoming a best-selling author and transformational mentor. With refreshing honesty, Yuliana reveals how she overcame cultural stigmas around divorce, navigated family rejection, and ultimately created her own definition of affluence through reclaiming her voice and power. 

You'll hear about: 
* Yuliana's journey immigrating to Australia at 18 and finding her path to authentic self-expression 
* How she transformed from a serial entrepreneur to a spiritual business mentor * The awakening moment when she realized her marriage mirrored her parents' dysfunctional relationship patterns 
* Her powerful ASK MORE™ framework that teaches women to negotiate in every conversation 
* Breaking through limiting cultural beliefs as a Chinese Catholic woman from Indonesia 
* How redefining divorce as "graduation" changed her perspective on relationships * The three steps of manifestation: courage to ask, pursue, and receive 

Today, as the best-selling author of "Unbecoming You: 21 Days to Live Life on Your Own Terms," Yuliana teaches high-achieving women to stop settling and start receiving by owning their voice and power. Her mission extends beyond business success to ending gender-based violence and poverty by helping women reclaim their worth. 

Through Yuliana's vulnerable storytelling and practical wisdom, this episode challenges conventional relationship narratives and offers a new paradigm where true wealth comes through self-reclamation and choosing yourself, not through pleasing others. 

SPECIAL OFFER FOR LISTENERS: Visit Yuliana's website for her upcoming negotiation masterclass: "The Deal Maker: How to Speak Your Truth & Own Your Worth" 

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Website: yulianafrancie.com 
Book: "Unbecoming You: 21 Days to Live Life on Your Own Terms" 

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 Hello everyone. Thank you so much for joining us here on Rabbit Hole Reflections. I am your curator, Lisa Van Slyke, and today we are joined by Juliana. She is coming to us all the way from Australia. I'm so excited. I love that we're reaching an international audience.

So a little bit about Juliana. She is on a mission to end gender-based violence and poverty. She firmly believes that women re, when women reclaim their voice and their wealth, they change the world. True affluence isn't just income, it's who you become. Thank you so much for joining me today. How are you?

I'm very well. It's very early morning, a bit chill because we always on the opposite side of the weather and the time of the world. I do thank you for being up this early and joining us here today. So why don't you just go right ahead and tell us all about that rabbit hole journey that you took.

Thanks, Lisa. It's interesting because I just looked at the date and this is very, how to say, it's like remembrance today. It's 10 years ago when everything begin. It's in 2015. I got divorced in May, 2015. So here we're how it's if I look back to tell you the story, I would say that none of this is ever in my plan or even in vicinity of what I thought.

My life would unfold. So what happened, backtrack to say about 11 years ago, I. Had a skin clinic business. I was a serial entrepreneur. I've always wanted to leave corporate and I tried all sorts of things. I tried trading. I tried e-commerce trading. I made a lot of success in that. But I closed down, and I'll tell you the story later, but I end up in a skin clinic business and I tried to make it work.

Long and behold, I accidentally went to a. A workshop where I got to meet my first spiritual mentor. We were in this workshop called Quantum being. I knew nothing much about it. I thought I signed up to a business workshop and how to build my business, and I ended up in something called Quantum being .

We had to sit down and wrote our life story in autobiography style. In that moment when I finished I sobbed, because I started to say that all of the issue, all of my life's challenges is coming from this childhood pattern and the deep, ingrained belief that I felt that I'm never good enough. All my life what I thought was I was chasing, and I call it like today, ticking all the boxes that society told you or your parent told you, this is the prescriptions of heavy, successful life did not give me the life that I actually wanted to live.

That is so common for so many people. Yeah. Yeah. So I was around 35 back then and this proverb that Lazu said, you never know where the journey will begin until you take that first step and the first step will lead you. It lead me to a long trench of a very rocky road. I love how you put in the rabbit hole because sometimes.

What we thought we knew and what we thought. That the awakening, sometimes it's not just always shiny and I don't say this in the negative way, but I just want to share that it's, it is a long treacherous road to get to where you want to be. I think sometime in a spiritual world we like to be sold by this shiny glamor.

The picture, it's rainbow in the sky. We will, everything will be good once you see your pattern, your life challenges. But it's not just that, but it's really a commitment of having that inner work. And that's what I had to take. I invested a lot in myself. From the spiritual development side, from self-help, I read so many books, get so many different mentors courses I learned everything and anything basically from spiritual development to an energy healing.

I found my gift as a medium. I'm also a medium. Oh, okay. Yeah, so I learned also from Tony Stockwell. I don't know if he's from uk. He's quite famous. So I learned trans mediumship look anything and basically I've done it. I did thorough reading. I did a thorough reading party, but long story short, it, everything led me to one thing was the book, because the book that I wrote is the Healing Journey that I had to take for myself.

When I wrote that book, it gave me a deeper reason to know that why was I. In this life that I sign up for what? What my parents who, why I choose my parents before I came to this world? Why I choose my sibling? Why I choose my ex-husband? Why didn't I got divorced? Why didn't I go through all this financial bankruptcy, everything and anything unfold in there in such a way that it's prepared me?

For the next live that I had to sign up for. I like to call myself Juliana Francie, 3.0 today. I love the 1.0 had died at, the day she realized that was not the live that she sign up for. She woke up and thinking that's it. I had to take because I'm a mom. Okay. And that moment. Everyone around me, in my world against me, my parent is only for four years because I got divorced.

The word divorce is not something that is even acceptable in our culture. Okay. I'm Chinese by heritage. I grew up in Indonesia until I was 18 years old, and I moved to Australia by myself. So it was, it's a very hard decision, but I knew I had to follow my calling. I knew that I looked at my two daughters, who is now 19 and 22, and I said, this is, has to end with me.

This whole conditioning of, you know how we are as a woman, we suppress our desire, we suppress our need, we suppress our voice. Yes, that has to end with me. I'm not bringing the dysfunctional relationship pattern for my parents, my mom, grandparents, into my kids' life. They have to see me as a woman who able to stand up and be who she wants to be, live the way she wants to live.

And that's what a lot of things that I summarized in that book that I wrote. Okay. But like I said the story is never easy, yeah. After all of those, and after I wrote the book, I still had to really dig deeper into myself because it's easier to say that I would end it this way.

But sometimes the programming runs so deep into your. Metric system. , Your subconscious mind that you just don't know where the end of that, and I'm not saying this in a way of demotivating if anything, I want you to know that, it's all worth it. Yes, it's all for a good reason.

You are here. And when you get to that stage, knowing that it's because the universe know you are ready. You are ready for something bigger. You are ready to redefine yourself, your identity, and how you live your life. I like to say these questions that struck the chord with me, I. If you know you're going to die in two, three years time, would you still live the same life?

If you give yourself very honest answer to that, you know where you're heading. 

Thank you for sharing that. I know. You said so many different things that I wanted to jump in and say something, but I said, no, I've gotta wait for you to finish. The biggest thing that absolutely stuck out to me lately, the rewriting that ancestral story and honoring and embracing what your ancestors did to bring you here.

Because without them, we wouldn't be here. One thing that you said was, look at the next two to three years. If you knew you were going to die, would you still live the same way?

But go even deeper than that and say it already is awful. What you know, why not try to go through some more awful to make it better? The uncondition, the working yourself through and healing yourself. It's a process and it can be very sticky and messy process. But what you're doing to yourself and how you feel right now, why would you wanna stay like that if you know that going over here and being in this mess and this yuck.

Can be a whole lot better on the other side of it. So that was one of the things that stuck out with what you had said, with your journey. Yeah, and I want to say we always know our heart is always know and if we let our heart lead the way, we know where we need to be. But most of the time, and I said to it, it applies to everybody.

We are too scared to change and we told ourselves that it is better to settle in the circumstances that I know than to change to something that I don't know. The thing is, they say, what got you here won't get you there. It's going to be like that. Unless you actually make a radical changes in your life, you cannot elevate your lifestyle.

You cannot get. To live a different life because whatever you want, whether that is a meaningful relationship or successful business or whatever, it requires you to become the next level version of you. You cannot have a better lifestyle with the same person that is currently here. Yes.

Yes. You mentioned divorce. In the United States it's way more common the average marriage doesn't last I think it's over 50% divorce rate. So it's a lot more, more common. But in some parts of the United States, particularly in Republican states or very Christian centric states, it's still very taboo and you just, yeah. Because there's a vow that says, for better or for worse can we talk about that a little bit? Because, for worse doesn't mean that you have to endure abuse or, not being able to be your true self. A lot of people get stuck in the idea of I got married and I'm supposed to, the marriage is supposed to be a certain way and this is just how it is because I said, for better or for worse, and there's a lot of situations that you can grow and outgrow somebody, and if they're not coming along for the ride, you might need to divorce them.

Oh, and that's in any, that's not even just in marriage, that's in relationships in general. Your work. Family, friends. Yeah. I look, I don't know the statistic in Australia. I agree with you. When I wrote my book, I actually did that research and it's about 50% of, but I think it's coming back. That table is like what you said is this file is actually.

It's part of that conditioning that I'll talk about the condition and the society conditioning through religions to everything else. Because if you actually look at the history and you read about the history of how relationship waiting, from the tribal sort of society do modern society wedding actually was in invented, I would say, to.

In a set way for a man to claim, this is my wife, this is my children, and this is my property of how the inheritance will work, and that's how they start to legalize marriage and created this whole wedding things. In a tribal way. There was nothing like that. There was no like a real agreement of who is what and who owns what in a way, and I like to say owns in a quote unquote, because women change the surname for reason so that they can identify we belong to these men or families.

Yes. Now it's if we start to strip off. The conditioning part and we looked at the world from the spiritual perspective that everything is lessened and challenges and it, the main goal of everything is to help us at the soul level, to grow and evolve. There is actually never a failure in a divorce. We like to say that when we got divorced, we failed that part and it took it really hard.

And you know what happened when I, I told you, the believer of the story where it never exists in my culture in a way, and I got disowned. My, my mom and I did not speak for four years at all because she refuse this. But when you actually understand in a deeper level, I let her, because for her it is need to come to the term.

She's scared to be judged. And this is, I said that. With love because actually a lot of us have that. In certain level in certain degree of that. So coming back to that divorce being a failure, sometimes we stick to that because we are so scared to go against the programming. If the society and you know that we build that we are not going to be good enough to meet the expectation.

Because the expectation is we are gonna leave. Forever and ever and happily ever after, right? But see, even this word is programming because where does it come from? Is that Disney princess movie that sold us the dream? We are gonna find our princess leave happily ever after to the end. But going back to that, if we look at our intention of life is grow, evolve, then.

We could look at relationship as a way of us learning and growing and relationship actually the fastest and safest container for us to grow if it done it right. If not, then it is very painful. But the thing is, remember, we have all the power. We have all of. Yes, the ability to walk away to create a new life.

And like what you said, if it's so painful, why don't you create something better? Why do we need to torture ourself to stay in there? And don't forget, though, in the deeper level, as you side, we met each. With another people or even other people in our life, never by consider we have this level of frequency, we have this level of vibration that attract another person.

When I looked at my own relationship before I got divorced, I was, we were together for probably 17, 18 years and I was married for nearly 15 years and we were Catholic. We sworn by living happily ever after to the end. For better and worse now till death part. Yeah, and that part as well. But the thing is you looked at it from that point of view or I looked at it from other point of view that, you know what I said, I wrote that out of, and I woke up to her, my Lord.

My relationship was nothing but another copy of dysfunctional relationship of my parents. So that was my biggest lesson to understand that unless we actually work on ourself subconsciously, we keep repeating the same pattern of what the known pattern. And that's where I felt come to the end when I realized I walked out, I called.

The divorce is a graduation. You finish from that level of lesson, you need to move on. And it's not always that easy because like I said, the programming can run really deep. 'cause every other relationship I have, I still have prices of that. Remember the frequency brought you. The level of the person that you meet, which meaning like what you said, you either outgrow that relationship and it could apply friendship, family, and everything.

Or you're stuck in the same level. So when you raise your own level of vibrations because you do some inner work, you start to understand that you no longer fitting into that level. Whatever level that you know, and this is very normal. Some friends friendship might drop off, you might lose the relationship.

Yeah. And you change. But you change because you are upgraded and your life should be upgraded too. I love that you called it graduating to the next level. I think I'm gonna incorporate that in everything now. We are no longer connected because I've graduated to the next level. Yeah. One thing that you mentioned was your, first of all I hate that you had to go through your mom disowning you, but there is, I understand.

What you mean when you say it's so integrated? She was afraid of the shame I was raised in the south, in the United States. And it was the same way. You don't do anything that's going to shame or bring dishonor to your family so people don't get divorced. They. Hide babies and, pregnancies and like all of the things that people experience with addictions all that.

It's hidden because you're not gonna bring shame or tarnish the family name. One thing I did notice that you say that you said about that experience with your mom, that a lot of people don't necessarily comprehend and don't necessarily use it in the right manner, was that you allowed her. Her own experience, and that's part of the law of attraction.

It's in that group of you, allow people to have their own experience and to be who they are as well. And it's the law of allowing. I love that you actually did say that, because I don't know that it's mentioned as much as it should be. You have to allow people their own experience as well. That's interesting, Lisa.

I like how you put it, the law of allowing, actually never heard about this, but what I haven't told you about that four years is yes, it didn't talk to me because, it brings shame, but also it is actually that, that me walking up from that relationship triggers something within her. I. Yes, because I remember when I was young, when I was seven years old, she walked out from the relationship.

She walked out from my dad for a few weeks, then she came back. She came back. Yeah. She convinced herself. She couldn't go through this, because she had four, three children at that time and she had to raise them. Whatever it is. Look, at the end of the day, we all know this is an excuse that we put in on ourself.

Yeah. Because we prefer to settle the deeper. The reason is not because she couldn't afford, to support everything  in her mind, the shame of walking out was. Greater than anything. It is in the eighties and we were living in a small village of Indonesia, so I knew what she's going through.

It is not easy. We are in a neighborhood who is, everyone knows everyone. Okay. So as Chinese especially, there's a, we are minority we stay together and we know each other and we just, in that little circle of people, we don't even need a dress. We know who they are. I walked down on the street, everyone know who's my parents and it's that kind of lifestyle.

So she was like that. So me walking out when she saw that, it actually brought us this pain. Because she never happy with my dad ever since she came back. She settled for her own reason, but she actually turned around to my dad and she told me later on, after we started to talk again, she said, look at your daughter.

Her husband by then was not even as bad as you. And she still refused to stay and look at how you treated me. So this says a lot about what you were saying, allowing her to have her own experience about that four years. And that sounds bad, but we needed that break up right? In a way so she can process her own transformation journey that I spark through me walking out and I need to process my own healing journey.

For us to stay connected to each other, it will not help on our processing and healing in because we needed to have our own, that solid time in a way. And yeah, as bad as it sound, like I said, the relationship got better because I think she then understand it and I understand with her perspective .



Yeah, I love that You mentioned the mirror aspect and you didn't quite say it, but you mentioned, you triggered something in her when you left because she put all these fears and all these other things on top of. Her decision to stay and the reason why she stayed so you were a mirror for her and what was reflecting back was something completely different than what she had in her mind.

And so she was. Dealing with her own processing that you know, that you left and she didn't. That happens a lot. Just a little bit of backstory. I don't know that I've ever told anyone this.

The name Rabbit Hole Reflections actually came during a time when I was in another pattern. Another situation, a relationship, a situationship. I ended up in an eight year long relationship. Towards the end, it was miserable for both of us. We were in our own, we were in our own nightmare.

It wasn't abusive. We weren't hitting or screaming at each other, but it was soul sucking. This relationship was just, it drained both of us. Yeah, and I started this podcast and then I took a. Pretty long break between the end of the first time I did this and now, but Rabbit Hole reflections came from me continuing patterns I.

without realizing what I was doing. Now I'm on this healing journey and now so rabbit hole. Yes. It's a deep dive into like research aspect. Like I'm gonna go and spend hours and hours doing scrolling on something that interests me. But it's also, you're in this really trippy experience and it's almost like deja vu when you repeat it and you repeat it and you repeat it.

Maybe with a different person, maybe with a different employer, maybe with a different romantic partner. But the mirroring. I didn't understand at that point what was happening. And it wasn't until the end of that relationship in 2019 that I was like, I can't do this anymore. And then I noticed it with employer patterns and I was like, I can't do this anymore.

What's wrong with me? And it's not so much that there was anything wrong with me, but what is it that I need to fix or I need to heal? So the rabbit hole is the deep dive into your own healing journey. Yeah. It's. It's interesting, you say this, it's like you are reading my mind in different way because I remember I said the relationship is actually the safest when you take away Yes.

The human painful experience. They are the safest and the fastest way you're gonna grow because that's what you say. They give you a lot of reflections. Remember, we attract. Our frequency, our vibration. So they, the universe give you exactly the mirror, like what you said, the person that will help you to understand that program in that run so deep that we don't, we are not even aware.

Yes. Let me tell you this story, which is happening recently to me, as I said it's what it, but then years journey for me today, but in my last relationship, so I had a few different relationship. There's short term, but on the last one I remember, which ended about. Two years ago, just over two years ago, after I wrote my book, I wrote my book.

I published a book, and I was in this relationship. It was six months only. The relationship was so painful if I looked at it. But I realized it actually helped me to grow at the fastest. I would not been able to do .

A lot about self-love boundary, and speaking about myself, like really speaking the truth about myself because after I wrote the book, it was another layer of me coming to the service. It's like the book helped me to understand so much about my past. Okay. And yet the applications is still at the service level.

That relationship taught me this is how you actually put it in practice. So I can talk about boundaries, but it's, how do I actually stand up for myself because I was I was, by default, I was a people pleaser. When you have a parents that are quite strong, my mom is very strong personality.

You kind of mold into a people pleaser because you are conditioned to earn love. You have to work your way to get love. Not letting yourself to just be love right now. But at the end of that relationship, I decided, I walked out and as it, it was so painful for me. And, but I understand in the deeper level what is self-love, what is so important for me to really true to myself in different level.

And I took two years being single and, work on myself. And I actually now in a very happy relationship that is completely opposite.  I love Esther Parole and she said the truth that you cannot work on your own to get  to the level you need to be.

To get ready for relationship. I think this is another thing that, like I said, sometime in a spiritual world, I like to call myself a bit more pragmatic in a way, because I think we sold to the idea there's a rainbow and butterfly in the sky, right? You work on yourself. Yes you do need to do your inner work, but relationship give you a.

Vessel to be able to apply what you learn into practice. You can read thousands of book about boundaries and you can be really good at boundaries at work, which is in my case, okay, but when it come to relationship, I had very weak boundaries. I was always given, so see how. Theory is a theory, practice is a practice.

So actually having that awareness and take every step that you can, every situation and use, say, okay, this is what I choose. I choose to put in my boundary. I choose to speak my truth. I choose to do this instead of this is where the real transformation will begin, what actually happening in your life.

I love that you brought up speaking your truth. Episode five of Rabbit Hole Reflections. The gentleman that I had on was very much going through his own recovery and a lot of it was, where truth is the most important. Because it will set you free. Being truthful really does liberate you no matter what the consequences on the other side, truth will set you free and he found a lot of redemption and a lot of growth in just being able to speak his truth.

I know there's a lot of times we mask, we are a different person at work. You were. Totally boundary level person at work. But in your personal relationships, you didn't have boundaries. I was the opposite. I have boundaries in my relationships a lot more than I would have at work, and I would become a doormat and a people pleaser at work for what?

A paycheck. That doesn't make any sense to me. My health would take, a huge impact. My mental state would take a huge impact, and my relationships were hit really hard because of the not having boundaries at work. So I was a little bit of the opposite, but boundaries are important, but more importantly, being your true self is important as well.

Yeah, I think truth, and this just has to be your truth. Not the truth. There is no real truth in the world. It's your truth. And their truth is not always the same because we have, that analogy that you have this filter and our eyes, the way we see the world based on our programming and condition, it is just true.

Yes. The way that you look at the world, it will be different from I looked at the world and everyone else looking at the world, but. This is what I achieve with that growth from remember, I actually then the thing, something that we get to this level of the truth, and I now teach this called the negotiation, but it's really about speaking and owning who you are.

Oh, and I said that every time we open our map, we actually negotiating with someone. Do you like it or not? We do. Okay let's put that away because sometimes as a woman we like to how to say, to make it pretty with the ribbon and wrap it in a, something shiny. But let's strip over everything and let's be real and honest.

Every time we open our mouth, we are negotiating. You talk to your kids. Can you please take the trust out? You are negotiating with them. Yes. You ask your partner for something, you are negotiating with them. You are. And it is in that moment, you are in that negotiation with them or with yourself. And this is what I'm teaching is because if you don't speak your truth, you are actually negotiating with yourself.

You're negotiating down on yourself of what you truly want. Okay? If you are speaking your truth at that moment, you stop that self abandonment pattern. You speak your truth, and it doesn't matter what the outcome is. You know whether your partner say no or your kids say no, or whatever the deal you didn't make, but take this.

Remember, you are in that level of raising your own vibration. Each time you ask for more, you allow yourself to embody a greater version of yourself. And that's what's more important because you may not get what you want at this time, but you'll get something more. I said, this quote is my life quote is, you can have everything in your life if only you have the courage to ask.

Pursue and receive. There's three stages of manifestations and I like how you know, everyone thinking of this, the secret book where we sit down and chanting affirmation. I don't think life is like that. I'm very big into manifestation. But manifestation requires you this level of courage. Courage to us, courage to pursue, courage to actually receive.

And you can have everything you want in life. It's true. But if you don't own your voice, you don't own your power to us to pursue the receive, you will never upgrade your life because you stay at the same level. I. Like I said, it does not matter the outcome at this time because universe is very interesting and miraculous way of delivering what you want, and you may not get what you want at this time, but you can have it the next time because now you adjust your level of vibration.

This is what manifestation is about. You can have what you want when you match that level of vibration. But if you not willing to embody the that next level version of you who is willing to speak up, to set the boundary, to negotiate her worth, this is your worth that is on stake the life that you truly want, then you cannot what have what you want because you decide you never just match to what your own decision.

You decide to stay at that level or you decide to. Growth.

That is a challenge for a lot of people. Because that stretching or that growth is very uncomfortable. And it's very messy because it's stepping outside of your comfort zone, and it is taking a look at some of the things that are holding you back or not keeping you fulfilled. I loved every bit of this conversation.

Unfortunately, we are coming to an end. So I do at the end, ask that our guests leave a couple of tips, and you gave some really great advice right there at the end being, true to yourself, finding your voice, speaking, in your truth. What would you suggest for listeners as far as get that journey started and then at the end you can wrap it up by letting us know how they can connect with you.

You never gave us the name of your book, so I would love to have the title of your book, how listeners can connect with you and where they can find you. Sure. Look, if I would say from everything that we talk about the last 40 minutes, what is your one takeaway? Is that. Really own yourself. Yourself, own yourself.

And this is where the journey is, that if you, at every moment choose yourself over policing other people over, maybe rocking the boat or whatever that is, slowly you'll be upgrading your life for sure. Yes. Because that underlying that courage. You don't get what you deserve just because you say you deserve, you will get what you want if you have the courage.

And remember this, the courage. So just choose that I know is very challenging, Lisa. And it's everyone had to face this, including myself. But at that moment, and every moment in your life, you'll be faced by a decision to make. Would you choose yourself or do you choose? To get the external validation from other people, please choose yourself.

Yes, it's very simple. This is , this is your growth, and that will start from there. I know it sounds selfish, but it will work in the long. Term. So thank you for having me, and I really enjoyed this conversation. I can, I think we can talk for a few more hours. Absolutely. Yeah. Look, my book is called Unbecoming You.

21 Days to Live. Live on your own term. I had an honor to present it to Jack Canfield and had his praise on the book. . The book is self-help and a lot of reflection. So it's not your traditional book where you read it. Yes. It's sprinkle with my stories or my client story so that you have some reference and context of how it may apply to life.

But it's a practical 21. Step basically to get to the life that you want. It help you to understand where you at, where you want, where you're going to be. That's why I call it the three step of un becoming you, which is unlearn, un careful, un unleash. And each step, yeah, each step is built upon the other step.

And on the other step and the other step it's very, I have to say it's a journey as we all say, and my website is there, julianafrancie.com. I do have a masterclass coming up on, on speaking on, I call it negotiating or deal maker. I love the word deal maker. I'm a deal. I think we all have to make a deal in our lives.

The deal can be yes or more than yes, remember? Yes. It's also. A silent abandonment because we get what we expect to get right, but instead of we get what we truly want to get. So yeah, go to my website, go to juliana francie.com/masterclass and check out what masterclass I I'm having, I always have one in the regular basis.

And check out my book in Amazon. Thank you so much for being here. I really have enjoyed this conversation, and as you said, I could talk about this for hours and I know we could totally just do that, but unfortunately, the show is coming to an end. All of your contact information, including your website, will be in the show description, so listeners, you can.

Check that out and see when she's having her master classes order her book. It sounds like a great one. And also this is your permission slip to go ahead and choose you. Thank you so much everyone for joining us here at Rabbit Hole Reflections. I hope you enjoy the rest of your day.